Tina Belge: Building Thriving Communities Throughout the State | EP 34

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Thank you for tuning into the
Carolina Business Leaders

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Podcast where we share the
stories of local business

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leaders and impact makers who
are community focused and deeply

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rosed in the Carolinas.
Today's guest is Tina Belgy, a a

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passionate urban planner and
housing advocate.

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She is the founder of Catalyst
Community Consulting and is

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currently running for an at
large seat in the Greenville

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Greenville City Council with the
mission to bring inclusive

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community focused leadership to
local government.

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So, Tina, thanks for joining.
Us.

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Thank you for being here, Tina.
I'm glad we can share her name.

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Christina.
Tina.

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But you know who we're talking
to because she's using the

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nickname Tina.
That's right.

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That's fine.
Well.

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You've shared earlier that
you're from Augusta, but how

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long have you been in the
Greenville area?

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12 years sweet.
Yeah, so you've seen it grow.

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I mean obviously post code but
it's just like shot.

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Up well even before that so my
mom, she went to Daniel, my Papa

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Tucker Clemson.
I would go to like Clemson

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soccer camps.
And so when I was a kid we'd

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come for the zoo.
That's not it for Greenville.

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You.
Go to Columbia Zoo.

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Well, we did.
We mostly did.

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A.
But when I was a baby, like it

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was Greenville because that we
were close with our, you know,

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family parents.
So and then I saw it again and I

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visited again very frequently in
high school and in college and

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just I fell in love with
Greenville.

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And I thought, OK, once I get
out of school, I'm going to come

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right back here.
And we've been ever since.

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Yeah, she can relate.
She's a huge advocate for

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Greenville.
Yeah, I mean, I'm born and

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raised, so there's not many of
us that are left, but this place

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is amazing, amazing.
And I've seen it grown, you

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know, my whole entire life.
He got here in high school and

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you've even seen some grades in
Greenbelt.

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If you're running a small to mid
size business, you know there's

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simply not enough hours in a day
to take care of all your

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business needs.
From managing health insurance

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to payroll, procurement,
advertising, you're going to

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need some help to get that
initial momentum going.

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That's why I would partner with
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They take care of all the behind
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your business.
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But with all that being said,
there's a lot of good things

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happening here.
So what would you say is your

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favorite thing about Greenville
or your favorite part of

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Greenville?
I love two things.

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I love the environment.
I love our trees.

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I love like you can go to the
mountains like Joe Cassie.

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I mean, it's talking about
Greenville County.

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Beautiful though.
Like my favorite spot, but I

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love the people like most, you
know, importantly, I think like

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we have a great art scene.
We've got funky, cool small

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businesses and I don't know,
it's got a great thriving, you

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know, philanthropic arm and
everybody's very community

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centered.
I feel like that.

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Yeah, I think it's cool too with
Greenville.

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It really is so green like in
the downtown area.

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I was just going to say that we
were thinking about the other

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day, was it us?
It was talking.

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I couldn't remember who I was
talking to, but someone, maybe

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it was you, was saying
Greenville is really living out

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the green in Greenville.
I mean, it's just everything's

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green and gorgeous right now,
which is amazing.

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So glad that you mentioned that
because this place is truly

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beautiful.
Yes.

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So you're obviously very
involved in Greenville running

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for City Council, Yes.
Talk about some of the things

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that you're involved with here
in the community.

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Sure.
I'm currently HOA President for

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Twin Lake Cottages and Pete on
the board of our PTA at Summit

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Dr. Elementary.
It's a, you know my 6 year old

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goes there.
So that's a big part of it goes

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eagles.
I also serve on state some

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statewide boards in South
Carolina women's affordable

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housing network very involved
with 10 at the top, which is,

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you know, kind of a professional
planning organization and just

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have volunteered on county parks
and rec volunteered for the city

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for many years Upcountry History
Museum and I'm graduate of

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leadership Greenville well and a
Fermans woman's leadership

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Institute.
Yeah, can't, can't announce yet,

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but I applied for Leadership
Greenville and there's news

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coming out in a few months.
I will give you a good word.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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So I cannot say that was 10
years ago I did that.

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Yeah, I and to this day so much
has come out of that.

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Oh yeah, I've heard great
things.

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And what's so cool is someone
who was on our podcast, who's a

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very good friend of ours was in
leadership Greenville, one of

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the first classes not to date
him, but he wrote my

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recommendation letter and just
shared how impactful it was for

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him.
And we're pretty involved in the

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community as a couple.
And so I just knew that that was

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a good step to take for us.
But with that being said, I

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mean, we're, as I look at our
calendar, I mean we're overly

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involved, it seems like, but I
tell people we're so busy, but

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it's all good things.
So I can't cut anything out

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because it's all good.
So that being said, I mean, you

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just mentioned all these boards
and organizations you're in.

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So what's really your mission
behind being involved in all

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these organizations?
I mean, I think what you were

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talking about inclusive
community, you know, my

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background is community
development planning, economic

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development planning.
And that's what it is at the end

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of the day.
Like are people thriving?

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Are we doing well?
Are we doing in a community

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centered way?
And that's kind of also what,

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you know, city planning is
about.

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So if it falls in that mission,
I'm about it.

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And I think it's also like
perfectly fine.

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I tell folks all the time, if
you find yourself on a board or

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Commission and you're like, oh,
maybe this isn't a right fit,

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that's OK.
You know, finish up your term

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and like move on to something
that fits you because there is

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only so many limited hours in a
day.

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But I think it's fantastic what
y'all are doing because I can

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tell you the fruits of like the
labor of the time of everything

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for my kids when I have like on
many, many boards and I'm kind

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of selective 2 little ones.
Well, I guess I mean, I can't be

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on, you know, 5 different boards
in a year anymore because of my

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young kids, but that you will
definitely see all of that.

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Well, we hope so.
We we know it'll have to be a

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transition whenever kids come
into the picture, whenever that

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blessing occurs.
We've had lots of conversations

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about the schedule shift.
So Oh my God, I don't know how

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it's going to happen, but
there's going to have to be big

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changes.
So for sure we'll navigate that

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when we get there, yes.
I'd love to jump into Catalyst

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Consulting, yes, about how you
started that, some of the

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challenges involved with that.
Can you just give us a brief

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overview about what it is in
your mission?

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With it, sure.
So it's been about 15 months

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since I started my firm, so
we're pretty new.

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Congratulations.
Thank you for the.

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First year, Nice.
Yes, yes, exactly.

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It's been wonderful.
I mean, there's nothing like,

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you know, being your own boss,
being flexible and making your

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own hours.
But also, you know, consulting

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is an area where you really get
to lean on your own expertise

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and background.
And I thrive in that space.

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Like, I, you know, want to do
the best work I can for my

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client.
So it's a lot of government.

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It's nonprofit and development,
so affordable housing

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development.
And I, I, yeah, it's wonderful

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experience just to be able to
work across the country and help

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solve problems.
I see you're going.

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Are you have to travel a lot
with that or is it mostly

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Greenville focus?
Thankfully, since, you know,

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technology is great, I don't
have to travel too much.

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I can do even even for some
bigger cities I'm working in,

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it'll be like a one or two city
visit, you know, two time visit

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a year.
But here in the state I do visit

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more maybe once a month.
What do you think sparked your

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interest in Urban Development
and city that's?

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A good question.
You know, to be real vulnerable

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here when I was a kid, I, you
know, experienced some housing

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and stability.
You know, my my folks were, were

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going to through some things my
mom was going through, like

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postpartum issues.
And we found ourselves, my twin

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sister and I in different
people's homes at different

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times, thankfully through the
support of our church.

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And I think that kind of stuck
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Like that was really ingrained.
Like, OK, I remember that kind

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of that feeling.
But we at the end of the day, we

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had, you know, say stable
housing to go back to, right,

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when our, you know, those those
health issues were worked out.

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And I think about how many
people don't have that.

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And I think that just always
drew me into community and

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housing specifically.
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How can people, like, get
involved and help with that

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mission here in Greenville?
Oh, wow, that's a good question.

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There's so many ways.
I mean, one of my clients is

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Habitat for Humanity.
That's a wonderful organization.

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We love them.
We've done builds so good.

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So much of one of the most
recent builds I did, actually,

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the owner that was going to live
in that house with her three

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children came and was right
there with us putting up the

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walls, putting in the windows.
And it was such a sweet

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experience to not only help and
give back to the community, but

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to hear about her story and meet
her family.

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So love them.
Like they put in that sweat

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equity as we.
Call it and that's.

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What all this stuff is about,
it's just giving people the

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opportunity to work and, and you
know, housing is not often a, an

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easy system to navigate and the
market is a market, right.

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And so it's really wonderful how
many nonprofits are out there

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doing the mission.
Another great one I used to work

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at was Greenville Housing Fund.
We were actually the city's kind

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of nonprofit arm for affordable
housing.

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Definitely get on their sign up
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Is it new?
Tiffany Santiago.

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Yeah, she's like really good
friend.

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Oh.
Yeah, OK, good.

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So Tiffany, I told you about her
recently.

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We had gotten lunch and so
active in the community and

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she's like all about the
Greenville housing funds, says.

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She's like one of my best
friends.

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OK, good.
Well, tell her we said hey, OK,

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But it sounds like they had all
kinds of opportunities for the

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community to get involved and
jump in and help.

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So love that.
I can see especially.

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Very good.
So what do you think that?

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So you've also been obviously
been doing this for a while like

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Urban Development, city planning
and all this.

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How has that helped like shape
your background, prepare you for

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launching your own business?
Yes, I mean, I it's impossible

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not to it's, or I should say
it's not possible to go into a

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field like this without having
kind of a multitude of

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experiences.
You know, I've worked on that

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Housing and Urban Development
federal level with some of their

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funds.
I've worked state, I've worked

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locally.
And that's all helped form kind

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of the breadth of what you might
think of as housing plan, your

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community development planning.
And then I switched into urban

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planning, which is like more of
your hard city planning, your

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traffic, your zoning and policy
and land use and all those

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things together.
And then I worked also in the

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policy and advocacy space.
So I have this big breadth of

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experience that upon any client
or project I can bring to the

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table, and that's what's great
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So my knowledge with like,
affordable housing is limited.

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Yeah.
How do you, like, how do we

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promote affordable housing and
how do we better that,

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especially when there's like so
many people moving to Greenville

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and it's growing so much and
housing prices are shooting up?

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Like how do you address that
issue?

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You know, here it's really
unique.

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I think in the city we flipped
from about 60% home ownership to

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60% rental and in the last 10
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That doesn't.
Surprise me, right?

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I mean and.
Apartments are shooting up left

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and.
Right.

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Yes, exactly, exactly.
And I don't think there's

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anything wrong with apartments,
especially as, you know,

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focusing them in key areas where
we can have strategic growth.

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But that has to come with the
other systems and structures

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like good transit to make sure
that all those cars are dumping

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into our streets.
So but yeah, the housing, it's

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not easy.
You know, I would love to see us

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do some work on not only
increasing our affordable home

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ownership again and building
those home ownership numbers,

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but for those who do rent, you
know, building equity while you

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rent cooperative programs like
other cities have.

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And then also just Land Trust
models that keep takes the land

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out of the equation when trying
to do home ownership.

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That just makes it more
accessible for our teachers, our

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police officers, folks who
really depend on in the

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community.
Yeah.

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So is it like when there's a
higher level of home ownership,

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I guess that would make homes
more affordable?

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Is that kind of?
Yes, inventory, yes, yes, yes,

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100%.
The more inventory generally

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you're going to have a
stabilization of rents.

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You know, we're we need a good
bit of inventory I think to get

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to that point, but it's happened
in other places.

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So missing middle housing
building in some, you know, step

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up smaller density to get there
as well.

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OK, so a little bit about you.
As we walked in, Heath is

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wearing his UNC Chapel Hill
shirt.

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Yes, you mentioned that you are
a Tar Heel.

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I am.
So tell us a little bit about

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what program you did at UNC
Chapel Hill.

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I come from a world or work in a
world where there's all kinds of

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acronyms and certifications and
no one knows what they mean.

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So tell us what you've got, what
they mean, and what you do with

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those.
Yes, I guess.

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I guess I have two little
acronyms.

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So MPA.
So I got my Master Public

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Administration.
It's one of the leading schools

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of government in the country.
Yeah.

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Chapel Hill.
Let's go.

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That's right.
Did you go to?

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Did you do it in person or?
Did you?

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I did a hybrid program.
Oh cool.

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So it was like half there?
Half.

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How often did you have to go
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Just like a few times a year
kind of thing.

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Like your program?
Mine is we kind of go optional.

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So I've been once and then I
don't really have to go again,

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but I can't.
Yeah, we're going in the fall.

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That was an international.
Trip actually we're going more

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important we're going for the
Clemson UNC Chapel football.

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So we are going in the fall for.
Football, you see what's?

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Important to me, football for
him, not so much, but we are

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going in the fall, so hopefully
we'll get an opportunity to go

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on campus and maybe there's a
day or two you can do some stuff

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while we're there, but.
So I guess you when did you get

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that MPA, like right after
undergrad or did you wait a

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couple?
Years.

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No, actually, between, I did the
AmeriCorps program, which is

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like the Peace Corps but
domestic.

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So I did that and that's just
really brought me back to the

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Greenville area.
I was like, I want to, I want to

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get back here.
I'm gonna be around my family

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and they had an opening at the
county Redevelopment Authority,

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which is local government
through AmeriCorps.

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And I had, you know, been here
since.

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But yeah, I got I worked and
commute to do the program

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because it was it was high like
before Covad, you know, they

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were just starting to do some of
this.

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I.
Don't think zoom was a thing

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really.
So I sound like so old when I

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say that I.
Think it was like Skype or

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something.
It was a Skype type thing, but

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it was great because I got to
spend a lot of time in that area

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too and they have some really
great planning.

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My focus was on community and
economic development.

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So study things from
sustainability to, you know, how

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do we forego kind of the
traditional economic development

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that's kind of died out and how
do we move to a more of tech

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market and entrepreneurial
market and attract those things

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while making sure how
affordability is addressed and

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cost of living and all those
things.

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So how's the, I mean, obviously
City Council is very, I would

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say just you're on the go a lot,
very busy.

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Yes, yes.
How has that been so far?

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When did you like announce that
you're running and what inspired

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you to run?
Yeah, I filed in March this

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year.
You know, really I think it

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comes down to me being a
planner.

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You know, I, I see where we're
headed.

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I work in the low country a lot.
OK.

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So at five, 1015 years from now,
we could be in those same spot,

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right?
Where they're not really saying

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quality of living anymore
because of the cost of housing,

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because of the traffic.
Charleston's yeah.

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I mean, where in the low country
are you spending your time?

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North Charleston?
Georgetown.

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Are you going to Allendale at
all or no?

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Smaller ones like.
Walter bro Dylan, we've got from

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from Dylan, but our church is
very involved with the Allendale

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community.
That's why I asked about that.

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They're doing a lot there, but I
think.

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We're doing a whole series of
the state rural development and

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it's wonderful because they're
so some of these smaller towns,

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they don't have planning staff
and so it's a great way to be

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able to get in and get in there
and lend some expertise.

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And I just love small.
So are you helping small towns

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like develop and kind of OK?
Yeah.

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Are they planning to like become
a bigger town or?

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Well, whether they plan it or
not, all the data is.

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They're all going to be.
It's coming their way.

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Yeah.
So we are kind of quickly

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becoming Florida.
Oh.

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Wow, yeah.
The halfback situation and our

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in the city too, our retiree
count is really climbing.

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So while we're having a lot of
younger folks move here, our

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average median age is also
rising.

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So that does a lot of things, a
lot of good things for tourism

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and things like that, but it's
also like balancing your

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workforce and and things.
So yeah, I mean, I can see what

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happens if we don't take care of
traffic, if we are not paying

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attention to housing cost, child
care for cutting down our trees

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with all the development, you
know, I see it.

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So I just want to make sure we
protect.

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That is Charleston on the way to
becoming a pretty like massive

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economic development.
Oh, it already is.

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Yeah, they have a considerable,
no, it really is.

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They have a considerably larger
footprint economic development

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wise in Greenville.
I think it's three to four

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times.
And so our city is really,

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they've launched a local
Greenville area, Greenville

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Economic Development Corporation
to help work towards that to be

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just as competitive as a low
country.

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And we certainly will be there I
think soon and that's great.

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Like growth is good.
I'm very pro growth, I'm pro

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development.
I am pro smart development

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though.
Like when I see, you know, giant

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something being built and I'm
like, OK, think about all the

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cars on the road.
Are we incentivizing them to not

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use those?
Or is this building towering

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over this park over here?
You know, these are all like

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real considerations we have to
make and.

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It's you can definitely grow too
quick.

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I mean, a lot of people would
argue that Green Hill is growing

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too quick.
Well.

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Infrastructure wise, we we
definitely have right and I

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would love to see, you know,
using technology like keep our

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red, keep our lights flowing,
keep our cars moving.

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If someone's speeding, if
someone's running a red light,

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which some of this you do have
to stay and change on the state

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level.
But you can use technology like

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drones and get to get around
that to it'll show up in the

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mail.
You're like, OK, you were going

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50 and a 25 I'm sorry that's you
Heath.

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But we need to capture that
revenue and make our streets

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safer and then we can put that
towards like a really efficient

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trolley system.
You know, I've lived in cities

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where even medium sized cities
like Knoxville, TN, Yeah.

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I have a great story of
Knoxville, TN and the traffic

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light stuff.
There we go.

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I mean the young professionals
would get on the trolleys to go

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to work.
It was not uncommon.

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Yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I used to live in

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Knoxville, OK and said they have
those like drones or at like a

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red light.
Yes, they have cameras.

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So if you turn right without
stopping all the way, you will

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get a ticket in the mail.
That's.

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Right and you can put that money
and people know because I mean

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I'm sure y'all have seen it
around town.

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How many people run a red light?
Yeah, they call it the five

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second rule now in Greenville.
Yeah, you don't.

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You don't take a left like you
got to wait because someone is.

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Going to come around, especially
is very especially is extremely

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dangerous.
There's a wreck there.

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Ms. Every.
Day.

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Daily.
Yes, because I noticed on

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Lawrence the other day, they've
done a lot of improvements to

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make the flow better.
But some of the lights, it's so

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short when you're trying to get
on the Lawrence or get off

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Lawrence, it gets backed up and
so everyone's running the red

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because literally the light is
this fast.

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It's terrible, yeah.
And we just need to invest more

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in technology to.
Fix that.

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Yeah, that's great.
I'm sure there's so much we

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could get into about roads and
traffic.

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I know, I'm sorry.
No, that's good.

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About fixing the roads and the
potholes, yes.

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So on the governor level, I
helped with Governor Mcmasters

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campaign when I was in college
and really got insight into what

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your world looks like.
I work in financial services so

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this is not my world, but it was
a great experience to really

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work all day long, put signs
out, go door knocking and do the

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traditional campaigning.
So with that being said, what

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does campaign season look like
for you?

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And then to what are your key or
top priorities that you're

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really pushing out to the
community?

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For sure.
Yeah.

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I mean it, it's a really over a
year long process.

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Even before you file, you've got
to kind of lay some groundwork.

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But we're very, you know, people
powered like you've got just

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some young folks.
And 1st I want to say thank you

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for volunteering.
On It was so fun.

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It was a great college
experience.

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I worked on so many, just
volunteered for so many, you

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know, over the years.
You it's just fun camaraderie.

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And it is like, just go out
there and meet people.

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That's what it's about,
knocking.

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Doors.
Yes, great networking

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opportunity because all the
events the governor would put on

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to his campaign during his
campaign race and whatnot.

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I got to meet so many different
business leaders all over the

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state of South Carolina and
people running for positions

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like yours and from you all the
way to the governor, you know,

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saying it was a great
opportunity to network and meet

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people.
And I think you find that you

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have a lot more in common when
you're talking to people face to

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face.
I think we've become so

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polarized, but the reality is
most people would just want like

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the American dream.
We want that.

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We want, you know, stable
housing and, you know, good

458
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,960
education for our kids, safety,
to be in a safe community.

459
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,800
And those are the things we're
pushing for our our BIG4

460
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,680
priorities, our housing
affordability, especially for

461
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,520
like our generation younger.
I feel like, you know, it's left

462
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,040
been left out of that.
You know, it's very hard to to

463
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,240
enter the market.
So flipping that 60%

464
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480
homeownership and rental,
getting that back closer to a

465
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,440
healthy level, making sure we
reduce traffic through mobility.

466
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,560
I would love to have a small
efficient trolley system.

467
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,320
Like imagine if you could just I
mean, y'all on a really good Rd.

468
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,240
Yeah, you just hop on the
trolley, get downtown or get to

469
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,080
some major.
Areas and being it for sure.

470
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,520
I love the trolleys we have
downtown.

471
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:58,320
I know.
Me too.

472
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,840
We've.
Been on it one time, but we

473
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,520
didn't know where it was going,
but we just wanted to test it

474
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,440
out.
So we hopped on and yeah, were

475
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,880
you taking this?
And they were like, actually to

476
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,320
the parking lot.
We're like, we'll go.

477
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,120
We just want to.
Go.

478
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,960
Because it's fun.
Yeah.

479
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:12,680
We used to have street cars and
all that.

480
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,040
And I would love our buses just
to be like those going out to

481
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,520
the other municipalities and
going to the big employment

482
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,600
centers.
Like my husband works, you know,

483
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,280
near BMW, He's got a supplier,
thousands people, 20,000 people

484
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,800
carpooled to work every day.
They should be taking the bus.

485
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,160
But like it's not an efficient
system because we don't invest

486
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,760
in it.
Next would be trees, making sure

487
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,800
we protect our open space or
green space particularly.

488
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,200
We lost so many trees during the
hurricane and we're sitting on a

489
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,320
good a few $1,000,000 of tree
fees.

490
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,200
So I would love for for this
city to work with private

491
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,920
homeowners to get those
replanted because like you said,

492
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,640
like the trees are what keep
Greenville green and the West

493
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,960
side of town, like development
is just taking them down.

494
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,120
You can look at this heat map
and the east side of town looks

495
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,920
great.
West side of town, not so much.

496
00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,560
And then last would be
childcare.

497
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,760
I mean, we live in a childcare
desert and just with some tweaks

498
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,360
and like zoning and some
interesting models out there

499
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,120
that other cities used, we could
help improve some childcare

500
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,520
acts.
Childcare is a big topic.

501
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,520
I'm hearing.
I'm involved with Greenville

502
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,160
Women Giving.
Yeah, if you're familiar with

503
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,680
the organization.
But they put on several

504
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,880
educational events throughout
the year, and the most recent

505
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,120
one I attended was about
childcare, and the statistics

506
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:28,520
were alarming.
OK, so who was it?

507
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,680
Derrick Lewis.
Yes, yes, yes.

508
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,440
And he did a great job.
So that was a great session.

509
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,080
I came home and told Heath.
I was like, I had no idea that

510
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,120
it was as bad as it is.
I had a gun for both of my girls

511
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,800
who are now 3:00 and 6:00 but
still this is very pertinent

512
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,880
today.
Like I had to get on list before

513
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,360
I was pregnant.
Right, right.

514
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:50,080
That's what we hear.
And it was still five months

515
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,000
before they.
Started yeah, now I'm here and

516
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,760
we've got friends in the
neighborhood having kids, so the

517
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,360
wait lists are at least the
local ones were around our

518
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,640
neighborhood, the Goddard School
legacy, the wait lists are two

519
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,320
years long.
So yes, it is crazy.

520
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,520
So anyways, love that that's one
of your initiatives, so.

521
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,480
Thank you.
That's a good, I don't know,

522
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,400
entrepreneurial idea.
Absolutely.

523
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,560
More of them.
Yes, in home care providers.

524
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,240
That's why I say changing some
of the zoning would be helpful.

525
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,160
The center that my daughter is
at now, my 3 year old, it

526
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,960
couldn't be built today based
on, I mean it could be, but you

527
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,600
have to go all these extra
levels.

528
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,320
So it's hard to get a child care
facility like up in business.

529
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,120
And four in these four
residential districts, yes.

530
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,400
Yes, yeah.
Let's see where we could do some

531
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,560
improvements there then of.
Course and like the Gutter

532
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,600
School, which is right here next
to us because they have a

533
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:41,800
location in Fountain here and
then they open one on Pelham

534
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,000
Road and the one on Pelham from
what I've heard already has wait

535
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,720
lists and they sent a bunch of
students here from the Woodruff

536
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Ride location over there because
of how full it was.

537
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,720
So even if they open it's quick
spots are taken.

538
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,800
Yes, what people don't realize
is you can also, if you want to

539
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,960
become an in home care provider,
there's so many benefits to

540
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,920
that.
Like you can get your grad, your

541
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,760
undergraduate degree paid for,
you can get training, you know,

542
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,000
and honestly, that's some of the
only child care you can get if

543
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,280
you're somebody who works like
second or third shift or you're

544
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,000
in kind of a less of a nine to
five.

545
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,200
But we've got to incentivize
folks to do that because you

546
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,680
know, that also takes just
knowledge and getting out there

547
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,800
in education.
So what?

548
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Do you think's been the biggest
shocker of running for City

549
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,440
Council?
Wow.

550
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,880
Shocker.
Have there been any surprises

551
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,520
like, oh, I didn't think that
would be that difficult, or I

552
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,880
didn't think that would be that
easy, or some of that stuff?

553
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,080
That's a good question.
I don't know.

554
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,560
So this is my second time.
I ran for state Senate six years

555
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,200
ago, which was nuts because I
had a six month old.

556
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,080
Good for you.
So it's not my, it's not my

557
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,120
first rodeo.
So luckily I don't think I've

558
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:59,280
had any surprises yet.
But you know, everything's

559
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,560
different.
I every race is different.

560
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:08,640
I think I've pleasantly been
surprised just how these are.

561
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920
So I mean, it is technically
like a partisan race, but these

562
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,440
aren't blue or red issues are
very much planning and growth

563
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,360
oriented.
So it doesn't matter who you're

564
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:19,720
talking to, they understand that
like we've got to be

565
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:20,840
responsible.
They're good.

566
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,240
Was running for Senate the first
go, Was that any like surprises

567
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,440
there?
Oh, yeah, I got a lot of,

568
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,960
because I just had a child, I
got a lot of like, who's going

569
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,040
to take care of your baby?
And I was just like, yeah, we

570
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,920
have childcare and I have a
husband.

571
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:45,400
There is a plan.
I mean, just a lot of that.

572
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,160
And how will you manage this and
be a mom?

573
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,240
And I was just thinking, do they
ask this to men?

574
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,640
I'm not sure those questions.
And so I'm really lucky to have

575
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,560
just an amazing partner, to be
honest.

576
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Like he is such a rock and he's
the opposite of me.

577
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Like I well, I'm I'm probably an
Amber, but he's like introvert.

578
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,760
So he is just like I'm down to
like watch the kids and he's a

579
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,320
triathlete too, so it works out
well.

580
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320
So like I'll have my hobby, I
guess.

581
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:13,560
Right now who's running for
office?

582
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,960
Is it a hobby?
I guess yeah, it.

583
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,160
Takes a lot of time.
The time suck for sure, but he

584
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,240
can then be like, OK, I'm going
on a three hour run, I'm going

585
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,120
on a bike ride.
And so it's nice to really

586
00:28:24,120 --> 00:28:25,960
support each each other in those
dreams.

587
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,720
That's amazing.
Well, that's a lot you're taking

588
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,400
on right now.
And like you said, a huge ton

589
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,040
suck, but let's shift real quick
over to your business.

590
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,520
So, Catalyst Community
Consulting.

591
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,440
What was the most difficult part
of starting your own business?

592
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,800
Honestly I think just taking the
leap was the hardest part, if

593
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800
that makes sense.
Like I've always seen myself,

594
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,320
most of my career was in
government, then worked in non

595
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,480
profit space, so always in the
public sector.

596
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,600
I was like, even though I've
worked a lot with the private

597
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,440
sector, kind of is that liaison?
It was like, oh, I don't know

598
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,040
how to do this.
I'm not sure if I can do this.

599
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,440
And I think at some point you
just got to like take that risk.

600
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,080
You got to jump in that boat.
And I've been so pleasantly

601
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,240
surprised.
I haven't had to market or

602
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,760
promote.
Everything's just been through

603
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,480
word of mouth.
And I think that's just lean on

604
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,400
on yourself and trust yourself
and your expertise.

605
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080
That's very fortunate because I
feel like at first, especially

606
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160
like a lot of businesses have a
hard time getting going that

607
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
first year, three years, you
know, getting momentum.

608
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,240
But it sounds like you've
already accomplished a lot of, I

609
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,880
think.
It's a niche thing to be honest

610
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,160
too.
Not everybody focuses on

611
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,840
affordable housing and it's such
a growing need, right?

612
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,600
I mean, unfortunately, I wish
this was not like a job.

613
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,120
The idea is that you like work
yourself out of a job in

614
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600
something like this, but it's
really important.

615
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,640
So I just am very fortunate.
I have some great folks who've

616
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,440
really spoken on my behalf and
gotten new work just across the

617
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:03,960
country.
So when people come to you and

618
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680
they're asking for your
services, are you the subject

619
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840
matter expert in affordable
housing or is it something else

620
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:10,920
that you would think that you
are the.

621
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,400
It could be community
engagement.

622
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,880
I'm big, you know, on processes,
how to engage the community and

623
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640
how do we make sure that
people's voices are heard in the

624
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,720
planning process.
That's a big part of being, I

625
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,720
guess I didn't say my second
acronym is AICP and the American

626
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Institute for Certified
Planners.

627
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320
You know, it's about carrying
out what the committees said

628
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,720
that they care about.
You know, I think at the lot, a

629
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,400
lot of times there's a lot of
decisions made-up here, but in

630
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,960
planning, you really have to
make sure that you're

631
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,920
incorporating that grassroots.
So it's community engagement, it

632
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,320
affordable housing, but also do
I do city plans I helped with I

633
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,120
helped write the city of T Rs
master plan.

634
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,680
That's T Rs like a beautiful
town.

635
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:57,520
TR It's just little like towns
like that I get to work in.

636
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,640
So county plans, city plans,
comprehensive plans, master

637
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,520
plans, development codes, fun
stuff.

638
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,120
Love it.
Park plans though too.

639
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,560
I get to do some of those.
Like State Park, there's local

640
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,160
parks and.
Stuff, Yeah.

641
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,160
State and local parks.
Cool.

642
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,440
Yeah.
That's great.

643
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,640
So how do you help your clients
translate ideas into big

644
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,040
meaningful impacts in whatever
location they're in?

645
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160
Yeah.
I think building up if it's, you

646
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,400
know, from the communities
generally when you're hearing it

647
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560
from, you might have some
interest coming from elected

648
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,000
officials or government bodies
or even maybe it's a private

649
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,320
developer and they're saying
like we want to do some

650
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,120
affordability in this project.
You're, you're finding, you

651
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,720
know, case studies and research
and best practices.

652
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,200
And these are ones I've direct
experience with either carrying

653
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880
them out, getting them started,
passing policy.

654
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,800
But I think a big part of it is
that messaging and communicating

655
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,560
it up so that no matter what
people feel bought in to

656
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,800
whatever that is.
Because the last thing you want

657
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,400
is somebody like surprised
about, OK, like we're we're

658
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,360
doing missing middle housing and
trying to make some more housing

659
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,840
inventory in our community.
But they don't know what that

660
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,880
means.
And like, it sounds like a very

661
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,000
scary thing.
So I think you're translating

662
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,800
and messaging is a huge part,
but getting that, getting that

663
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,480
buy in.
From the ground, is there a

664
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,400
success story you have with one
of your clients, one that you

665
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:21,720
could share?
Yeah, OK.

666
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Let me think yes, this one was a
actually for the city of

667
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,600
Greenville very.
Good.

668
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,760
See appropriate good one.
So they're they can no longer be

669
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,760
my client.
Of course, I think technically

670
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,000
not until am elected, but we
just we're not going that route

671
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,720
just to be a kosher.
But yeah, got.

672
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,560
A lot of accusations.
In the past, you know, I, I

673
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,600
worked with them to do a housing
impact analysis and that opened

674
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:59,200
up fun funding for state
accommodations tax that passed a

675
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,840
few years ago.
Senator Davis out of, you know,

676
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Beaufort area pushed for some of
the accommodations tax for like

677
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:13,280
for hotels to go towards a 15%
could go towards workforce

678
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,680
housing.
So supporting those who are

679
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,080
actually in the hotels, you
know, doing that.

680
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,800
And locally we could access that
immediately, but statewide we

681
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,400
actually had to write a housing
analysis.

682
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Any municipality would have to
write a housing analysis.

683
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,880
What's really funny is that I
argued against that when I was

684
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,000
at the housing fund.
I said that's a whole nother

685
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,760
barrier.
That's a whole nother thing we

686
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,240
got to do.
If they already have a master

687
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,840
plan and a comp plan or a comp
plan, the city plan, like why

688
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:40,200
have to do that?
And now I'm writing them.

689
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,280
It's kind of an ironic tale of
sorts, but I love it because I

690
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,480
get to work with all these
different municipalities and

691
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,720
open up funding for them for
this important issue.

692
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,160
Yeah.
Do you have trouble raising your

693
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360
voice in some of these meetings
or speaking your mind at all?

694
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,560
Or you just feel free to you?
Know that's what's great about

695
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,520
the consultant.
It's like they're they're

696
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,320
leaning on you for your opinion,
your expertise.

697
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,239
But yeah, certainly, yeah, it'll
be different as as an elected

698
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,600
official to an extent, right.
If a consultants getting up

699
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,679
there and they're saying feel I
don't think I'm going to be like

700
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,400
jumping in and be like, well, I
disagree.

701
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,080
You know, I would imagine do
some of these smaller

702
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,120
communities around the
Charleston area kind of like not

703
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,120
believe you so much when you're
like, hey, your city's going to

704
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,560
grow, your town's going to grow
because Charleston's growing so

705
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,320
much.
Are they like, Nah, we're we're

706
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,480
good or what?
What is there?

707
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,320
Now I think so many of them are
already seeing the pull.

708
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,199
I'd say there's.
Charleston's believable.

709
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,679
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Place is.

710
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,400
Exploding Georgetown.
They get it.

711
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,040
You know, I'd say like
Walterboro, if I think of them,

712
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,600
you know, their county has
exploded, but their city is kind

713
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:49,440
of, I think lacking some
economic development and big and

714
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,960
bigger employers.
So, and that's an interesting

715
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,920
thing is because one of the
strategies I've learned from the

716
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,880
low, from the smaller towns, I'd
actually love to see in our

717
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:03,760
city, they work to push
development into cities so we're

718
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,120
not sprawling everywhere.
And they work with the county to

719
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,720
split their taxes.
I would love to see that in our

720
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:14,680
own city so that the cities and
counties are working together to

721
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:19,800
not only prevent prevent sprawl,
the county can help grow their

722
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,880
taxes and the city can take
their portion.

723
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,520
And maybe that put that to
toward workforce housing,

724
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,960
affordable housing, economic
development, you know, and also

725
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:34,560
you're just growing in smaller
areas that all be walkable.

726
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,200
They'll be good transit, you
know, almost like little mini

727
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,920
downtowns.
What if Greenville had, you

728
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,000
know, Overbrooks kind of getting
big W Green was getting big, you

729
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,160
know, like the village area?
What if everywhere it was just

730
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,240
as well planned?
I'm pretty envious of how you

731
00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:53,080
like have tied your passions
with your job.

732
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,640
It feels like every day you're
doing exactly what you love to

733
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,120
do or what you were called to
do.

734
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,280
Do you think that are like, I
know that you talked about your

735
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,760
your background growing up and
how that kind of played into

736
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,680
some of your housing passions,
but what about just like the

737
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,240
Urban Development and the
helping communities?

738
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:11,000
Like what is it that fuels you
with all that?

739
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,400
You know, I think actually that
same experience, like being in

740
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,600
other people's homes and that
was my community, my church and

741
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:25,800
like all the families and I also
played like group spores.

742
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,280
I did Clemson soccer, like all
those things.

743
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,760
I, I like a team aspect.
I like when I was in college, I

744
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,080
was like an RA, like I, I don't,
you know what I mean?

745
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,440
I like community building.
I find it to be a second family.

746
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:44,440
And so I think planning is also
just like bringing the community

747
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,960
into that process.
I think on top of it, I just

748
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,440
love cool new things.
Like I have like a ridiculous

749
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
list of like whenever a new
restaurant opens or a new shop.

750
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,840
I mean, I and that's what I
loved about Greenville over the

751
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,080
past so many years, but I've
also seen a lot of really good

752
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,120
small businesses closed too.
So I think that's an important

753
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,240
and crucial support our city.
Let's keep it vibrant, Let's

754
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,800
keep it funky.
Like, I don't want us all like

755
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,960
painted over brick and, you
know, like these, you know,

756
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,480
murals that are just like,
printed like, let's get some

757
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,360
cool, like Yum.
And.

758
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Yeah, yeah, like when they
painted over the Coca-Cola like

759
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:23,480
Neural.
Yeah, I know.

760
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,560
That was sad.
I mean, how many people have had

761
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,640
their engagement?
In front of that, I mean

762
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,320
everyone has and they put
something else there.

763
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,120
I just saw it the other day.
It says.

764
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,720
Green Greenbelt looks.
Like a postcard.

765
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,120
I saw that, yeah.
But since you brought up the

766
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,520
restaurants and we also have a
list of restaurants and anytime

767
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,880
there's a new one, we go try it
right away.

768
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,600
But with as busy as we are with
working podcast, my ladies club,

769
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:46,960
all the things we haven't been
able to do it.

770
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
So we made a mission like a week
or two ago that we're going to

771
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,280
go to all the new places over
the next like month.

772
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,200
And so with that being said.
So awesome.

773
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,120
I'm making it quicker than he
is.

774
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,160
OK so with that being said, new
restaurants, have you tried

775
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,760
Demarco's?
Have you tried the Matador Abyss

776
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,760
Stir any of the new ones?
Demarcos.

777
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,560
How'd you like it?
Very good.

778
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,640
We're going for his birthday, so
I'm glad you enjoyed it.

779
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Yes.
OK, well, we're going to shift

780
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,360
gears just a little bit to talk
more about kind of challenges in

781
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,520
your career and before we close
out.

782
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,200
So whether it's government, your
campaign or personal life, you

783
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,600
know, what would you say are
some of the biggest professional

784
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,000
challenges that you face
throughout your career?

785
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:38,400
It's a good one, I think.
I think, well, when you're in

786
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,840
government that I think that's
particularly hard.

787
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,000
I would think every day is a
challenge.

788
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,400
You're, you know, you're think
about it, OK, Like, I was

789
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,360
nicknamed Leslie Knope in
college, do you know what I'm

790
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,120
saying?
I was vice president of my

791
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,800
student body.
I passed ordinances as in

792
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,960
student government.
I was good.

793
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,280
Leadership leader.
Yes, but you go into you're the

794
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,040
youngest person again.
You're a young female in an

795
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:08,200
office and you're banging your
head against the wall because

796
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,960
you're just like, I want to
innovate, I want to use

797
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,920
technology.
It's hard.

798
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,600
To make anything happen.
It's so slow.

799
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,040
And so, and that's the huge part
this campaign is like innovating

800
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,520
governments.
That's what I do in my work and

801
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,840
that's what I want to bring to
council because I'm like, you

802
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,080
know, business license, like why
are we printing out APDF and

803
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,480
turning it in and in person at a
physical building?

804
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,160
I'm just like, this is 2025.
That's not going to incentivize

805
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,600
any business.
And and can we incentivize, can

806
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,840
we give them access to the
chamber or next Gen. or the

807
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:43,120
Greenville economic development,
like all of those things I think

808
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,920
are important.
And yeah, so government slow.

809
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,080
That's definitely has been a
challenge.

810
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,560
Nonprofits, you, you wear like 3
hats.

811
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,680
It's the opposite problem.
Maybe.

812
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160
So I like actually really have
enjoyed the private sector and

813
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,520
kind of balancing all of it.
But you have to make your voice

814
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,320
known.
It doesn't matter who you are.

815
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,600
Don't be afraid of it, embrace
it, and just trust yourself.

816
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,200
Nice.
When you look back on your like

817
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,680
background and your upbringing,
do you have any mentors that

818
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,480
really helped you through that
more that are helping you today,

819
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,280
maybe even.
Yes, I do.

820
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,000
I do.
My first boss actually when I

821
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:25,640
moved, you know, back to the
area, my boss with Greenville

822
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:29,400
County Redevelopment Authority.
She's still my mentor.

823
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,520
She's the best.
And what's great is we've been

824
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,320
actually been able to, you know,
work together even in different

825
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,480
capacities.
And she just always comes out

826
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,600
and supports me.
I'm a, if you're listening, I

827
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,440
love you.
She's just over a huge rock.

828
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,360
And actually I, when I started
my consulting business, she was

829
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,440
inspired and she ended up
starting her own business.

830
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,960
And so that's been just like a
wonderful.

831
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,800
Circle right there, yeah.
It really is.

832
00:40:55,800 --> 00:41:00,320
It really is.
Yeah, of course My parents, they

833
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:05,280
are like very politically
involved and active and

834
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,120
actually, you know, we're
probably more opposite sides of

835
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:13,960
the political spectrum.
But they that's why I think I

836
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,200
enjoy the work I do and why I'm
good at it, is that I can see

837
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
things from multiple
perspectives and understand it

838
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,200
and.
Yeah, well.

839
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,080
I personally find myself more of
an independent right.

840
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,080
I feel like economically maybe
liberal, but you know, for, you

841
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,920
know, for our generation, for
access to housing, for, you

842
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,000
know, child care those.
Things.

843
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,160
But like, I believe in small
government, I believe in fiscal

844
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,600
responsibility, and I think I
get those from my parents and

845
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,440
they, we debated everything at
the dinner table every night,

846
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,640
really.
Yes, practice for you.

847
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,720
I mean, it kind of is and I'm
really grateful for their their

848
00:41:51,720 --> 00:41:54,000
civic engagement.
I don't think everybody gets

849
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,800
that in their home.
I left high school not knowing

850
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,080
the difference between like a
conservative, liberal, like I

851
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,280
didn't know.
And maybe that's OK, honestly,

852
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,640
maybe we need to like.
Well, I just didn't know.

853
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:05,920
I'm like, I don't know what my
parents vote for.

854
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,960
I don't know what I would vote
for.

855
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,400
I don't know who the issues are.
Like I was in a bubble.

856
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,080
I just like, didn't didn't that?
Carry there after high school it

857
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,320
went even till like more
recently I.

858
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,080
Mean in college I started to
understand a little bit and then

859
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,480
it was like after graduation I
was like OK you're like way more

860
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,560
now I can have an opinion on
some of these things especially

861
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,720
now I'm working yes that kind of
thing but yeah I was just I I

862
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,280
was one of those ones that had a
very different like experience

863
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,600
growing up where I just didn't
have which it was almost my

864
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,800
fault because I was like so out
of the loop with everything but.

865
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,880
What what advice would you give
to a young professional, maybe a

866
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,840
young woman that wants to move
into politics, an industry

867
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:46,960
that's still primarily older and
men, and I'm in an industry

868
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,840
that's primarily men, which I
love working with.

869
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,520
But you know, what advice would
you give to a young girl that

870
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,600
wants to be in the position that
you're in now?

871
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Of course, I mean like anything,
do the work, right.

872
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,640
You know how you show up,
putting the time in is

873
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:10,080
important, but also just again,
not don't be afraid to be

874
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,560
yourself.
You know, you might, oh, I'm

875
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,880
coming off assertive or
whatever, you know, that's at

876
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,880
the end of the day, you know, do
the work, do the research, know

877
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,440
your craft and advocate for
yourself at every point.

878
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,760
No, I'm sorry.
No, like, well, I think this.

879
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,480
No, like, you know, as much as
you can.

880
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,760
Yeah.
And it's hard.

881
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,440
It's so hard.
I mean, I've been in places

882
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,200
where I not felt supported and
didn't feel like I could do

883
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,240
that.
But you got to like, trust

884
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,520
yourself.
How'd you get over that hurdle?

885
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,840
I think it was other women,
other or other other employees

886
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,680
who were supportive and that,
you know, build your village,

887
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:53,920
right?
Got to have that.

888
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,160
My kids, my family, my friends,
they ground me.

889
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,160
At the end of the day, I'm sure
y'all ground each other.

890
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:04,200
So having that for sure.
So let's Fast forward 1015

891
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,280
years.
You win City Council, maybe you

892
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,240
go on to something else.
And what?

893
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,320
Yeah.
What kind of legacy are you

894
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:12,880
hoping to leave?
Oh gosh.

895
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,160
And do you?
Yeah, I mean that right now

896
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,280
we're focused on City Council.
Maybe you have personal

897
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,720
aspirations for else but.
I don't know to be honest with

898
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,360
you.
Like.

899
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,800
Or how do you want people to
remember?

900
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,960
OK, yeah.
I mean, yeah, I, I want to have

901
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,560
set Greenville on the path to
maintain the quality of life

902
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,720
that we have now and even
improve it for some people who

903
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:37,440
are not experiencing that same
quality.

904
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,560
That's what I want.
I want us to have a more

905
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:46,040
walkable mobile city, one that
weathers high housing cost, one

906
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,880
that expands our child care or
after school or summer programs,

907
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,920
you know, invest in our parks,
some that have been neglected in

908
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some neighborhoods.
I just want it to be a place

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where everybody can thrive in it
and make sure it's accessible

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because I feel like, you know,
the way we're going, the trends,

911
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you know, I look at data all
day.

912
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,760
Yeah, the trends scare me.
I just want to be a place that

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my kids can live and be proud of
and feel like it's some place

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00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,880
for everybody.
I love that you're a dated

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00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,480
person.
All day, every day.

916
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,000
That's love that I can.
Relate to that.

917
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,120
That's awesome.
Yeah.

918
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,400
Well, cool.
Well, we'll wrap it up here, but

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I do want to ask if anyone's
listening and wants to get

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00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,120
involved with your campaign or
wants to get involved with

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00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,400
Catalyst, how can they, how can
they find you and how can they

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00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,280
get they get?
Involvedsocatalyst-cc.org is a

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website and actually I'll be
hiring for an intern soon.

924
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,680
So please check it out.
And if you like urban planning,

925
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,520
GIS, any focus in nonprofit or
development, and then from a

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00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,800
campaign, it's just Tina
bellagy.com.

927
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,520
So pretty good.
See, you can look at all the

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priorities for the campaign in
depth solutions, but also time

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00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,200
to volunteer in all of our
events.

930
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Well, cool.
Well, Tina, best of luck.

931
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Thank you so much.
Thank you.

932
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,200
Tina, I appreciate you being
here.