Ronald Harvey: Building Bridges Through Leadership | EP 46

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Thank you everybody for tuning
in to the Carolina Business

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Leaders podcast where we share
the stories of local business

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leaders and impact makers who
are community focused and deeply

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rooted in the Carolinas.
Today's guest is Ronald Harvey,

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a retired U.S.
Army veteran with over 34 years

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of leadership experience, a Co
founder and Vice President of

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Global Core Strategies and
Consulting, LLC Ron, thank you

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so much for.
Joining Thank you for having me

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on CBL excited to be here.
So before we dive into those

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formalities, we're discussing a
little bit about Ron on his own

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podcast, Unpacked.
And so I'd like for him just to

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share a little bit about his own
podcast and what kind of guest

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he's been speaking to recently.
Yeah, I mean, the podcast is

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really, it's called Unpacked
because there's there are no

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scripted questions.
People come in, they get to

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introduce themselves and then
really everything that they say

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we're paying attention to and
we're asking questions.

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It's around leadership, it's
around professional development

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and people skills, you know, but
everything is about their

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journey and leadership and their
growth and leadership and some

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of the challenges that they may
have had and how did they

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navigate it?
I mean, because they're always

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challenges regardless how
success we are.

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And and I podcast people want to
hear how did you do it?

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Exactly.
Yes, exactly.

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Yeah.
I don't think people realize how

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many challenges are really in
the way like as a young

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professional.
Like honestly I thought if I

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work hard in college, work hard
first couple years, like I would

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have to work hard much longer.
Yeah, yeah.

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Which is, I mean, I think before
you, you know, you think that if

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you work hard enough, you'll get
to where you want.

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And that's, that's half of the
solution.

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And, and I tell people there are
a lot of obstacles.

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No, 21 years of military
service.

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I loved the military, but I
didn't love every day in the

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military.
There were things and people

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that I work for that I wish I
didn't have to, and they

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probably wish I didn't work for
them.

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I mean, there were challenging
relationships and challenging

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deployments and challenging
rules.

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There were just things that that
if I had to make the decision, I

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would have done it differently.
But it didn't stop me from doing

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the job.
Why did you go into the

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military?
College education, you know, I

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come from a very large family.
My parents did not save up

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college money and I was the last
of 12 children, 12 years.

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So there was no college money.
So I realized like, OK, if I

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want to get that education, how
can I get it?

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And my parents don't have the
money and I I want to see the

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country.
So I joined the military at, you

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know, 17 and, you know, really
enjoyed it.

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Every day wasn't like I say
wasn't a great day, but I never

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stopped.
I knew when I went in, I was

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going to stay for 20 years.
I literally knew I was going to

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go and I was going to stay until
I turned 37 and I was going to

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retire.
What was the hardest part of

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your career in the in the
military?

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Oh my.
Did you serve any deployments?

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Yes, yes and I don't even think
deployments were the hardest

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part of the military service.
I think the hardest part was

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just the adjustment to a very
diverse organization.

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I mean, I grew up in all black
community so there are things I

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just didn't know Delray Beach,
FL which has changed drastically

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since I've grown up.
But the reality is, understand

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like you're living in your zip
code and all you see the world

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is as your zip code when you're
growing.

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Up, yes, yeah, it's it's you
don't get out of it much.

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And if you do, it's for like us,
us maybe an event like, it's not

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like really diving into the
culture.

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Yeah.
So I think that was the the

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biggest part.
And you know, it's it's learning

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to be able to work with and get
along and appreciate everybody

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in society.
I think that was the the hardest

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part, but probably the most
rewarding part.

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And you were 1717.
Yes.

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And so when I was eight, I was I
graduated when I was 18 and I

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was full set.
I just want to go play college

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football.
Like I didn't really consider

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anything else.
Did you consider anything else

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or was it a military?
And this is kind of the.

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Realm.
No, I didn't.

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I think I in 11th grade, I knew
I was going to go in the

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military.
I mean, it was one of the

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things.
And it wasn't.

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No one had to convince me.
My parents had to sign for me

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because I couldn't sign for
myself.

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Really.
Yeah.

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So.
But I knew that it was going to

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help me get a college education.
It was going to let me see the

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world, and I was going to grow
up.

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And it was a structured
environment where I could figure

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it out.
Looking back, is that something

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that you're very obviously very
proud of?

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Is that something you'd
recommend for young men?

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Yeah, I think it depends on
where people really are.

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I mean, there's some people
that's going to get

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scholarships.
There's some kids that that will

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not get scholarships but just as
talented, yeah, that are not an

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athlete.
They don't have the right

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guidance counselor that's
helping them navigate.

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No one's really helping them
figure out how to get into

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college those.
Counselors are like so

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underrated.
Absolutely, yes.

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I mean, some of them are really
good.

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I mean, you think about for the
young person that that people

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are working with that no one's
guiding, there's a structured

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environment that'll help them
figure it out, which is what I

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needed.
I needed someone that was going

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to, you know, make sure I had
healthcare, that was going to

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make sure I was going to eat
healthy or at least eat

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something that was going to have
some.

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Supervision around me.
Did you have any mentors?

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Oh yes, I mean, I'll tell you
that mentors are probably the

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only reason that I was
successful in the military,

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because I was young.
Like most people.

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You're hard headed or you think
you have it all.

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I had an attitude and when they
got in my face, I wanted to

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retaliate and someone said hey,
that's that's not going to get

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you far.
So someone pulled me aside.

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Instead of casting me out and
and ending my career, they

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pulled me aside and said, hey, I
got it.

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I hear you, but I want you to
figure out how to navigate this.

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And and they just took me under
the wing.

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So it wasn't like they asked for
permission.

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Yeah.
They say, hey, I'm I'm going to

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be your mentor.
I'm.

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Helping you be.
Successful.

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What do you like?
What do you want to do that?

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But could I see you were
receptive of that Yes, a lot of

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people are not yes and and it's
hard to watch that you want

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people to be successful.
I let a a fuse group of which is

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like a ministry, yes, when I was
in college at Clemson and like

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and I really wanted these kids
like hey, this is kind of like

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the route.
This is like going to help you.

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And some of them are such of
them, some of them just were

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not.
You know, it's like you said,

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people are hard headed.
I was definitely hard headed on

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certain things in my day.
But looking back now, you're CEO

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of global core consulting.
Yes, you've LED a very

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successful career as a VP,
corporate level executive kind

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of thing.
Like you've and a lot of

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people's eyes, you've made it.
Yeah, like.

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That's what people want to
think.

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I tell people, I think I've had
a, a certain level of success,

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but I think as, as you achieved
things for me, what's the next

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goal posts?
So I constantly move them and

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it's changed.
So if you look at where it came

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from, I have made it.
That's a true statement, you

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know, But if you look at what
else I can do, and I always ask

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myself, what else can I be
doing?

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Like who else can I be helping?
Who else can I show the way?

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Who else can I mentor?
Who else can I coach?

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Who else can I make myself
accessible to?

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You know, I'm in town for a
conference that's that's talking

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to leaders about taking care of
South Carolina.

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Who else can I help do what I
did you know for for 20 plus

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years in the military and.
Still make an impact.

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I still help people.
Yes, absolutely.

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You know, we're releasing a new
book on the December the 19th, I

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mean I'm sorry, September the
19th and it's called Impact

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leadership.
The entire book is not about

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what you do, not about your
title.

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Like what what impact are you
really trying to have based on

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the activity that you're doing?
And do they, do they actually

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align with each other?
I'm I'm here to, to for you, for

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this podcast, for you to be
successful, for you, for you to

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reach the audience that you want
to reach and have a real

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conversation about how did I get
here?

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But I'd love to dive into your
mindset shift from kind of 17

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year old Ron just trying to find
his way to become like being

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successful and then trying to
like do the right thing, make a

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career and then give back.
Yes, like I want to hear about

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that mindset shift.
At what point were what were

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kind of like the turning phases
in that in that journey?

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Yeah, I don't think, I don't
think the turning phase happened

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today was deployed, OK, because
before then, you know, you

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taking you in the military,
there wasn't a war anytime in my

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upbringing that I remember
Vietnam, but that was what I was

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born.
So it wasn't an exposure that I

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had to to Vietnam, but outside
of that, they hadn't been a war

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in years before Iraq war came
up.

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And we would we're getting
deployed.

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So you took it as almost like
training.

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Yeah, we're going to learn this,
but we're never really going to

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use it.
We're not going to war again.

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And then and then, you know.
Yes, yeah.

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So 911, I was in uniform, got
deployed to our act to to do all

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the work that we did.
And I think at that time, I

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learned how to give back.
That's why I really settled down

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and, and watch people, because
you take for granted what, what

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we have, you know, the freedom
of speech, the freedom of, of

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doing the things you want to do
in America.

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And when you go to Iraq, it's,
it's a total different

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environment.
And, and you learn to appreciate

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what you take for granted.
You know, when we got to Iraq,

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we had to build everything we
had.

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I mean it was a desert like.
Yes, you have to build your

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your, build your restrooms,
build your, build your food.

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Places, your restrooms, your
place where you're going to live

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at.
I mean, you literally show up

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into the sandbox and you build
everything from the ground up.

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And so that part made me begin
to appreciate everything and

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everybody around you.
But you know, you're only as

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strong as the person that's next
to you.

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So I think I begin to, to do it
And, and then I got into, you

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know, recruiting command for the
military and recruiting command.

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There were kids that needed
almost like a counselor, like I

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needed that to help them
understand like how I had made

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it.
So I was fortunate enough to go

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back to a community where I grew
up and say, here's who I am,

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here's what I've done and here's
some things I had to do to, to

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get there.
So I, I couldn't drink, you

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know, I couldn't do drugs.
I couldn't go out and get a girl

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pregnant and expect for all
these things to work.

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I say there are some things that
you that will, you know, make

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life more difficult, not as
possible, but it'll make it more

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difficult.
What roadblocks in your way?

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Yeah.
Absolutely.

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And you think you're having fun.
And it is until you look at the

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consequences.
Yeah.

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And so I think it began to help
me shift.

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And now where I am, you know,
everything that I do is is

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really about how do I?
Give back interesting.

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So you for that deployment
really was like a big mindset

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for you.
Absolutely.

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How can we?
So for someone that wants to be

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able to give back and make a big
impact, yes, not in the

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military.
What kind of advice would you

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have for someone that wants to
be able to give back, mentor,

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have an impact, that sort of
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Yeah, I had to.
I had to find the people that

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had something I was passionate
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You know, at the end of the day,
I found myself being very, very

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passionate about young people.
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And when I started doing that
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being really open about it so I
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right.
Like, you know, you think we

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have three kids and they're
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the homework?
I say, look, I didn't do my

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homework when I was supposed to
do my homework.

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So I can't help you.
Let me let me get you a tutor,

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someone that's going to really
help you get the grade that you

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want because Dad's going to help
me flunk, you know, So, but but

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when you look at it for our
kids, they look at me as a as a

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coach and someone that keeps it
honest and keeps it real.

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And my wife does the role of,
Hey, let me take care of you.

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Let me be the motherly piece of
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But how do you be a real human
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Because sometimes it it's scary
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because it seems like it's not
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Yes, yes, when under and it's a
certain level, some people got

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lucky, you know, but absolutely,
yeah, a lot of people, they'll

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say I don't know how I got this
successful, but I do believe in

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also like there is a mentality
that you have to have to make it

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to a certain level.
Yes, you can't.

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Like I can't say I'm a work my
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billionaire.
That's not how it works.

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But I can work my butt off and
be better off than I would have

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been had I not and put myself in
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Absolutely.
I don't tell you, Heath, what

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what works better than anything
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For me and my role is the new
currency is relationships.

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And I tell people, I say it's
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There are things I can get
because of relationships I have

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that my degree will not do for
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What advice do you have for
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I know the podcast.
Oh yeah, that's a noble for us,

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I mean.
Yeah, I mean, that's how I'm

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here as well.
I mean, when you reached out and

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you say here's what we're trying
to do, my team looked at it and

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say, I think you ought to be on
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I mean, you're getting ready to
host a conference, you're

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getting a release, a book.
But this is someone that's up

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and coming that you can actually
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I say I'll be in town.
Well, thanks.

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Reach out.
Yeah, make it happen.

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And and we're here.
But I will tell people at the

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end of the day, I mean, one of
the phrases I use every single

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time, people are always matter.
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So if you're, if you're looking
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your listeners.
If I, if I look at my credit

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score, I want it to be 800 or
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power to make a decision.
It gives me the power to buy

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what I wish.
It gives me the power to get

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treated right.
It gives me, it gives you so

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much with a 800, but if you had
a 400, they don't even want to

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talk to you.
They look into like, why are you

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here?
You can't get a credit card.

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Nobody wants to talk to you.
Why are you here?

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So I tell people what I do is
look at the people that I, that

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I know I need around me that can
assist me.

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What's my score with them?
Oh, your people score?

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Relationship score.
Relationship score.

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And I tell people, everybody
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There are people.
And what does it look like in

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real time?
I mean, I have eleven siblings.

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Think about it, everybody
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There's some of them got a 400.
And I look at him, I'm like,

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you're not answering this call.
And they know that.

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They were like, hey, we know
where we stand at with him based

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on our behavior.
He doesn't give us a score.

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We earned a score with him.
And I'll tell you everyone

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that's listening, you do earn a
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And people watch how you treat
people all the time in the work

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situation.
So be kind, be polite, which is

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probably the most helpful thing
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And if someone can't give you
something, you should still

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treat them like a decent human
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I love them.
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Treating people like a decent
human being is so important

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instead of especially now with
everything going on it's like so

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just people don't value.
That yes, yes, I mean for us,

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when you think about it, it's
easy to to be mean.

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Yes, it's easy, especially
online.

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Absolutely.
Yeah, people, we will get online

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in the heartbeat and say stuff.
Oh my goodness, it is amazing

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how much we will put online
that's not real.

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Yeah.
Because you just think it's

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never, you just type it, forget
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Yes, you like, it's like a
therapy session for people.

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Yes.
And that's not very appropriate

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in my opinion.
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And I think that's, I think
people like you and I have an

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opportunity to use our platforms
for what we know is the right

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thing to do.
And and people will say no one

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thing about him.
He's going to be fair.

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He's going to be realistic.
He's going to put everybody.

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I'm a very inclusive guy.
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And and that's just what I
believe is the right thing to

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do.
And people like, hey, that's,

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that's what he does.
If you see him, if you ask him

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for it, if he has it, he'll be
willing to help.

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I mentor more people.
I mean, I got people that I'm

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their mentors and I even know
I'm their mentor.

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Oh, you're my mentor.
I said, oh, thank you for

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letting me know.
But it's but I'm honored because

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it could have been anybody.
Being from Columbia, are you

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familiar with Original Design,
Jay Urich's nonprofit?

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No.
OK, so he played football at

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Carolina a couple years ago.
We had him on the show a couple

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months ago and he started a a
nonprofit for helping kids,

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especially in underprivileged
areas, get matched with like a

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mentor to help them just learn
basic finances, learn like basic

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how to treat people well, these
sort of things.

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Just curious if that was
something you'd heard about it

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all.
It's I have not.

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Jay's a great guy I'd love to
connect a lot for.

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This Yeah.
Well, tell him I'll be in a I'm

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hosting the conference on the
3rd of October.

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I would love to because one of
the things we try to do is find

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out how can we get back.
I mean, at the end of the day,

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there are kids that that have
all the talent, all the wisdom,

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all the grades.
They just don't have the

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opportunity.
So how do we help people get

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that opportunity?
Through people like you and I

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through people like Jay and and
and us reaching out, you know,

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for our conference, I tell
people we want to bring people

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in that will not be able to get
it done.

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You think like we're releasing
the book.

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The person that worked my
forward.

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No one would have picked them to
do it.

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And I called them and they're
like, but, you know, I'm not

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popular.
I said, I don't want you to be

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popular.
I want you to be real.

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I want you to be real.
Yeah.

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He's like, man, in the million
years I never thought I'd be,

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I'll be the one doing this.
I said well, I want to give you

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something that you can never
repay me for.

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What is your conference
specifically like?

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What is the idea?
Unpacked leadership and really

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what it what is for Heath is
keeping the community together,

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bringing people that's in town
that that are business owners

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like myself and executives like
myself in the city and people

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that care about the city, put
them in the space where

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everybody in that city has an
opportunity.

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These are people from our city
that care about our city.

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That's on the same stage with
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And I don't necessarily speak on
my conference, OK, I actually

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open up the stage for everybody
else to come in and do

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something.
So I'll do a panel, but I'm not

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doing a workshop, I'm not doing
this thing.

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Or hey, look at.
You're organizing the glue for.

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I cannot organize.
We we believe in our our role is

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to pull people together and show
people what it looks like.

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How do you pull people together
when we're in such like a, a

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world full of so much animosity
and just like bipolarism and I'm

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sure even at your conferences
there's people with very strong

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opinions.
How do you pull them together

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with?
That I mean, I think I've been

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fortunate enough, I'll say this.
I've been fortunate enough where

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they trust me, OK.
And I I say it out loud, I want

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everybody at the conference and
I don't want everybody at the

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conference that looks like me or
think like me or act like me or

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go to the church.
I'll go whatever fraternity or

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live in a zip code or go to the
college, I don't care.

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I just want you to be a good
human being and come and respect

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other good human beings and
let's figure it out together.

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And I put that message out for
everybody.

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I said, look, if if like I'm not
associated with probably the

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biggest alternation I've ever
been associated with the

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military outside that I've never
been associated with the

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organization that boxed me in
so.

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What do you mean by box you in?
So if I'm, you know, I'll take

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some of the fraternities, like
if you're A1 fraternity, you

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can't be almost real friends
with another fraternity or even

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like you look at Clemson in in
the Gamecocks.

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Yeah, I don't do that.
I like both of them.

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I just wanted to win, you know.
So at the end of the day, so I

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tell people I don't do things
that allow me like I'm African

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American male.
I'm not going to just have

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African American males around.
I'm never going to do that.

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And people, like I say, yeah, I
do love my culture, but I love

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other people too.
So if you got a problem that you

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gonna have problem with.
Me there you.

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Go and I'm okay with that.
At the end of the day, I just, I

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think what helps us bring those
people together is they know

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that about me.
They know at the end of the day,

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I'm a relationship builder.
At the end of the day, I want

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people to be treated right.
At the end of the day, I think

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we owe it to society for us to
do a better job.

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So I'm sure this is all truth,
like I love this, but I'm sure

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it makes pisses people off yes.
So how do you handle the

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backlash per SE I.
I just take it, it comes with

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it.
I mean, I don't think I've ever,

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you know, when I served in
uniform, people didn't like

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every decision I made.
But as long as I can sleep with

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the decision, I'm OK with it.
And I and I don't expect it to

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always be pleasant.
It's part of success.

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If you're going to be
successful, everybody's not

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going to sign off, Everybody's
not going to endorse.

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You can't be people pleaser.
Yeah, be a great, efficient

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leader.
And, and you can't be mean and

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rude about it, but I, I
literally, you know, we walk

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around and we do things in the
city.

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I will say that you know what,
we have a great brand, a great

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reputation.
You know, that doesn't mean

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everybody likes me, but I don't
have people out there that

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despise of my presence.
They're like, hey, he, he sees

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it different.
Yeah, they they respect.

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And I respect their and.
Just having like a very like,

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very standard respect for
people.

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It's so important.
And I'm like, why is our society

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losing this?
Yeah, and I think that's

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important.
I mean, you know, you know, you

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think about me that I've learned
over time is I can respect

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everybody.
Yeah.

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And I don't have to be the
person that puts the stamp of

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disapproval.
That's what you wish to do.

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I wish you the best.
If there's anything I can do for

451
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,840
you, let me know.
Here's here's, here's the limit

452
00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,360
of what I can do that I'll be
comfortable with.

453
00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,840
That's an alignment with who I
am.

454
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,680
And people know that about me.
If it doesn't align with me,

455
00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,760
I'll tell you hey that doesn't
align with my values.

456
00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,680
So at what point in your career
did you decide to start your own

457
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,160
company?
Oh my goodness.

458
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,800
I I started, Oh my God, we
started this company out of the

459
00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,080
fact that we were working for
the federal government and they

460
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,760
decided to move to Kentucky.
And I was like, I'm not moving.

461
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:18,520
Wait, what?
What?

462
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,160
What part?
What were you in Kentucky?

463
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,600
I.
Mean that was a decision someone

464
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,080
hired up said hey you know thank
you we love what you're doing

465
00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,120
you're just senior role and by
the way we're moving to Kentucky

466
00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:32,320
and I'm like no we are not
moving to Kentucky so I I

467
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,440
actually started the company out
of the fact I was getting ready

468
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,920
to lose my job she.
Was like, I didn't mean to do

469
00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,480
this.
I didn't either.

470
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,680
I'm.
Like, OK, what do I do now?

471
00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,480
Like go start this company
you've been dreaming about and

472
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:45,880
talking about.
Let's see you do it.

473
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,880
And so we, you know, started it
really from a place of sometimes

474
00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,760
when the door closes, there's a
another thing that nudges you to

475
00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,360
do what you really want to do.
Yeah, it was tough.

476
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,360
It was, it was hard.
Entrepreneurship is not easy,

477
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,480
but it's very rewarding.
And so the first three years are

478
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,320
up and down.
Everything you can think of went

479
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,360
wrong.
Everything you failed at it.

480
00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:07,320
We failed at it.
Yeah, challenge of the

481
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:08,920
challenge.
But it tested.

482
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:12,440
Was I really, really dedicated
to it?

483
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,400
Did I really want to do it?
Or was I just doing it for money

484
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,320
and prestige and ego?
And ego gets a lot of people in

485
00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:19,560
trouble.
You don't get caught up in that

486
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,680
all the time.
Yeah, for sure.

487
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,920
And I finally say, you know
what, I'm going to keep doing it

488
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,000
till I figure it out.
And then people started showing

489
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,840
up.
Did you ever start?

490
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,200
Up with him.
Every day.

491
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,720
Yeah.
So they're like, yeah, but.

492
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:33,600
But if you quit, you know one
thing I say you can never win if

493
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,320
you quit.
And I had to live what I tell my

494
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,120
kids.
I say look, the only thing that

495
00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:40,040
guarantees you to fail is
quitting.

496
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,440
There you go.
Can't win if you quit.

497
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,520
They just.
Don't go together.

498
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,040
So I'll just kind of take a dose
of my own medicine and had a lot

499
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,680
of friends around.
And I'll be honest with

500
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,760
relationships, people started
realizing I was going, I was

501
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,880
serious, I was going to do it.
That cared enough about me

502
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,560
saying, hey, think I got a
project, why don't you take a

503
00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,160
look at it, Let's see if you
could do it.

504
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,520
And those people literally would
call and give me a chance.

505
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,840
And maybe I wasn't the best
consultant at that point.

506
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,320
You know where I was at a
luncheon probably 3 weeks ago in

507
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,680
Lexington.
And you know, a guy came up, he

508
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,280
said, man, you have really
gotten better.

509
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,960
I told him, thanks, I say,
because you gave me a break.

510
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,320
I don't know why you hired me
the first time.

511
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,120
Maybe it was out of sympathy,
but whatever it was, I

512
00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:22,480
appreciate it.
But I worked hard because you

513
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,640
gave me a chance.
So I I felt like I owe it to

514
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,920
those individuals that when we
first started, we didn't know

515
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:31,800
all the stuff we know about
business now, which is why I

516
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,720
help a lot of business owners.
We didn't understand cash flow.

517
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,960
We didn't understand marketing,
we didn't understand you.

518
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,080
Ever make any pivots early on?
I think our biggest pivot was

519
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,520
COVID.
Oh yeah.

520
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,200
So when did what year did you
start your company?

521
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:43,960
Oh my goodness.
What?

522
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,880
2013?
Yeah, 2013.

523
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,520
So we were at least a little bit
of a foundation before COVID.

524
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,480
Yes, but everything's face to
face.

525
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,040
I mean, so our business was
everything was face to face and

526
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,680
COVID head and it's like, oh do.
That anymore?

527
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:56,440
Yeah.
What are we doing?

528
00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,120
So what?
Did you do?

529
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,920
Yeah, We, we were, we were
fortunate enough where we had

530
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,240
already been in a virtual space
with Zoom and we, we were

531
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,520
sitting at home was like, man,
what do we do?

532
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,800
We can't go out.
And I started a call and I told

533
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,520
my team, I said, hey, every
Monday morning at 7:00 AM, we're

534
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,240
going to do a call and we're
going to let people join it for

535
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,040
free.
And my team was looking like

536
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,480
Ron, 7:00 every Monday.
Well, 7:00 AM, you know, we

537
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,040
don't have to get up, right?
Everybody's home.

538
00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:23,920
I like, yeah, but we're going to
do this call.

539
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,480
And Heath, what happened from
that point forward?

540
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,640
We started the call.
It was about 7 people grew to 15

541
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,880
people grew to seven countries.
I'd aggressive people.

542
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,480
Started talking about it.
People like no, get on this call

543
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,160
and we were talking about
everything.

544
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,720
We were talking about COVID.
We we did discuss politics.

545
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,080
We did discuss, you know, George
Floyd stuff happened at that

546
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,320
time.
We talked about the issues.

547
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,080
20/20 was crazy.
It was just crazy and people

548
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,920
wanted to to do it without being
angry and not being

549
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,880
disrespectful.
So I created a platform.

550
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,080
I say we won't do any personal
attacks.

551
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,560
If you do any personal attacks,
you get deleted and you can't be

552
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680
on the show.
I want you to just learn and

553
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,560
understand and let's figure this
out together.

554
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,200
Everybody's hurting, everybody's
nervous, everybody's frustrated,

555
00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:07,040
Nobody has all the answers.
So I created a platform for you

556
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,640
to be really transparent, but be
really respectful.

557
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,080
And it, I mean, it turned out
where I had to have about 10

558
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,320
people just to help manage the
call because there were so many,

559
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,240
so many people on.
I mean, we have 150 people on

560
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,480
this call every Monday morning.
And we had breakout rooms and we

561
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,800
had real conversations.
We started facilitating and

562
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,440
allowing our professionals.
So we brought in other business

563
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,600
owners that were in the
community that cared about what

564
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,760
I was doing, and we started
having a virtual workshop every

565
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:31,440
Monday morning.
So.

566
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,200
What What was the idea behind
essentially just bringing people

567
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,280
in to let them just discuss
without attacking?

568
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000
Yes, we have just three topics.
Yeah, yeah, we would, we would

569
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:40,440
bring on, we will follow the
trends.

570
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,840
What were the hottest topics.
So we we first started, we would

571
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,120
let them bring them in.
Once we became better and

572
00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,600
realized what was happening, we
started picking the hottest

573
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,800
topics and say.
George Lloyd's.

574
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,160
Election.
Here's what we're talking about.

575
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,520
Here's what we're not talking
about today.

576
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,360
And we started doing the things
that allowed us to see what you

577
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:58,240
hear in the news over you on
social media and what was

578
00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,760
happening and what was happening
in communities.

579
00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:01,680
And we said we're going to talk
about this in a respectful

580
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,240
manner.
Yeah.

581
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,360
What don't you understand about
the vaccine?

582
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:06,800
What?
What are your concerns about the

583
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,400
vaccine?
What are the good things?

584
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,320
And we listened.
Into 2021 then because the

585
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,520
vaccine was out.
Yeah, we.

586
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,280
Were in, I mean, we were in all
of it and then, you know, but we

587
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,080
would put the stuff on that
people.

588
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,840
I think people are angry because
they just didn't know enough.

589
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,120
We became an information
resource with with some kindness

590
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,040
and respectfulness in it.
So that's hard to do.

591
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:33,040
Yes.
But I think it depends on on who

592
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000
you are and what you stand for.
And I think I had built up a

593
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,800
brand that I'm not going to let
you mistreat anybody.

594
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:40,480
And that's in every part of my
life.

595
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,320
If I see someone getting
mistreated, I'm I'm probably

596
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:43,880
going to pull the plug on I'm
saying no.

597
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,440
Stop.
I mean there's there's really no

598
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,560
room for for personal attacks.
As you mentioned, name calling

599
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,400
always, always my role is once
you start name calling, that's

600
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,880
how you know you lost the
arguments.

601
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,000
And yeah, it's got a live video
on that and have.

602
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,200
Fun with it.
I mean, for us, I mean people,

603
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,560
when I got ready to pull the
plug on about 18 months, I think

604
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,320
we we started saying we're going
to do it for six months and six

605
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,040
months turned to a year and then
turned to 18 months and people

606
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,680
started going back to work.
When I said we weren't going to

607
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,080
do it, there were so many people
frustrated.

608
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,760
Like, what do you mean you're
not doing this call?

609
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:13,760
So that's where the podcast came
from.

610
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,320
So how did so the host of that
rolled into the podcast?

611
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,240
I want to hear about that.
That's what how did you kind of

612
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320
make that's a pivot yes how what
was your kind of ideas behind

613
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,560
that and kind of the thought
process I.

614
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,480
Figured because people valued
the information, they valued us

615
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,480
being a a trustworthy resource.
I said, OK, People said, well,

616
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,960
wow, I just do as I can.
I said, guys, I have to, you

617
00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:36,240
know, pull the plug on it.
But here's what I'm going to,

618
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,840
I'm going to do, I'm do an
interview with one person and

619
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,320
it's going to be called
Underpack.

620
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,480
And we're not going because
that's what the whole talk show

621
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,800
was that we were doing.
It was just unpacking what was

622
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,280
happening.
And so someone said, why don't

623
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,320
you, because I think you should
call turning Point leadership is

624
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,480
what the part, what initially
was called the show.

625
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
And my friend said, why don't
you call it unpack because you

626
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,600
never know what's going to
happen, but you but you keep it

627
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,560
in this container that it's safe
and and you can go in there

628
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,880
without getting destroyed.
And you can ask a question

629
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,640
without everybody also thinking
that you're a racist or that

630
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,320
you're a sexist or you don't
support this and you don't

631
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,680
support it.
All you're trying to do is

632
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,120
become educated.
Like why is this so significant?

633
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,640
Because there's not really a lot
of avenues to ask those kind of

634
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,960
questions.
That's a good fairpoint.

635
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,640
Yeah, I remember having a lot of
questions in 2020 and I'm like,

636
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,480
I remember asking one of my
friends and he's like, thanks

637
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,920
for asking.
Like we had a good conversation

638
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,000
about stuff and like I don't
know who else I.

639
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,640
Mean.
And I think that's the.

640
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,120
Because like, it's like a trust
level in me too.

641
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:31,640
So it's relationships, yeah.
All relationships, I mean, I

642
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,080
find myself as a as a trusted
advisor in rooms where people

643
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,480
can ask questions and I can ask
questions, say hey, I don't

644
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,560
really understand this.
I need to and I know I should

645
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,040
but I don't so so I would just
next the question.

646
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,920
What happens when y'all get to a
point where she's like let's

647
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,000
agree to disagree.
Like we we're not going to reach

648
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,960
a consensus here, we just have
different opinions.

649
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,360
Yeah, I don't know if I even
endorsed this the the statement

650
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:54,920
of agree to disagree.
Why do you say that?

651
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,360
And and I don't because I can
agree that we have a different

652
00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:00,480
perspective, but I respect yours
and I should respect mine.

653
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,440
Yeah, I don't disagree with it.
There are things that that I see

654
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080
that may not be my first choice,
but I don't necessarily

655
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,640
wholeheartedly sometimes
disagree with it.

656
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,000
I'm talking about you and
someone else like, like if

657
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,800
someone joins the show and like
you're trying to educate them,

658
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,160
they're trying to educate you.
And it's just like, hey, we're

659
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,440
not going to come to consensus
here.

660
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,840
Yeah.
I mean, for me, Heath, very

661
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,320
rarely do those conversations
ever do I find myself in that

662
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,440
situation.
Like when people say, well, I

663
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,320
don't agree with so and so doing
this, I say I don't think they

664
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,400
need my agreement.
I see their perspective.

665
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,400
So I see your perspective.
Leave it at that.

666
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,440
Yes, you don't need my
endorsement or anything.

667
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:34,880
Absolutely.
The way you want.

668
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,360
Because because they're entitled
to have a perspective.

669
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,720
And, and I'm mindful that we all
have what I call carry on

670
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,120
luggage.
And what I mean by that, all of

671
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,880
us are walking through society
with a little packed suitcase

672
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,120
with our life in it, where we
grew up, with the church at who

673
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:55,040
raised us, what we read, who
talked to us, who poured into

674
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,880
us.
And that's our foundation.

675
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,920
But sometimes that foundation
got a lot of cracks in it.

676
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,280
And I tell people you're
entitled to have, that's your

677
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:04,520
life.
I'm not going to tell you it's

678
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,720
wrong or right.
I'm just going to say mine is

679
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,560
different.
Leave it there.

680
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:09,840
And I'm OK with it.
Yeah.

681
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,200
That's, I mean, that's how you
come to a really good, like,

682
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440
respectful understanding and
like, like you don't always have

683
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,320
to agree.
Like that's, that's cool.

684
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:17,880
Yeah.
Yeah.

685
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,920
And I think we agree.
We have more in common than we

686
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,400
have different.
I fully agree with that, yeah.

687
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,680
I think we get caught up in the
little things that don't really

688
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,440
matter sometimes that that it's
not going to be, it's not going

689
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,280
to be life altering for me.
Like even, you know, people like

690
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320
the simple things like, Hey,
what would you prefer?

691
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,040
I say what what's effective?
My preference is is success.

692
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,920
So do people, I guess.
Do you have, like, a service

693
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,240
where people would hire you to
come into a company and kind of

694
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,240
like, help, like flesh out maybe
some, like, I don't know,

695
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,880
disputes among employees or
different?

696
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,440
I don't know.
I'm sure bigger companies have,

697
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,480
like, their own little, like,
issues that they have to deal

698
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,200
with.
And yeah, I don't know, Office

699
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,080
talk can always cause all kinds
of dramas.

700
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,280
Yes, yeah, most of our clients
do call us for that.

701
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160
When you look at Global Core, if
you check out our website, most

702
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,000
of our work is, is really around
helping leaders make sure that

703
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,800
they create an environment that
that people can thrive and grow

704
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,360
and be successful and
sustainable in.

705
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,680
And that means that the leader
has to get better.

706
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,640
So all the time, we'll call them
when there's conflict in the

707
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,560
workplace or there's low trust
in the workplace or there's, you

708
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,600
know, 6 generations in the
workplace, we're going to see a

709
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,240
different.
I, I mean, we got three kids.

710
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,680
All three of them see life
different than me and my, me and

711
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,360
my wife do it.
But that doesn't mean they're

712
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,560
wrong and, and I'm right or
they're right and I'm wrong.

713
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,840
It just means that my daughter
grew up in iPhone age.

714
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,120
She'll text away before she
calls.

715
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,120
It's not wrong or right.
It's a preference.

716
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,840
I'm like but it's not wrong or
right.

717
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,520
Me calling is just as right as
her texting.

718
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,560
What advice would you get for
people that are going through

719
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,240
like challenges trying to
overcome obstacles in their

720
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,480
either their development or
their careers?

721
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200
Yeah, I will.
First for me personally, what I

722
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,920
do, there's there are a couple
things I do.

723
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,520
I don't take anything personal
and I use an acronym called

724
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:02,800
Q-tip.
OK, what is Q?

725
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Tip quit taking it personal.
I tell people.

726
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,840
I say, look, if it's
professional growth, why are you

727
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,480
making it personal?
Yeah, there you go.

728
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,360
I got to write that down.
Yeah.

729
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,160
I tell people, like I said, hey,
look, sometimes, sometimes you

730
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,880
have to be able to even when
someone says something personal,

731
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,680
you can't receive it personal
and expect to respond in a

732
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:26,760
manner that's going to be
helpful.

733
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480
And think about it, you play
sports.

734
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Yeah, I play football, yes,
that's always.

735
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,000
Some of them conversations you
can't even put on a microphone.

736
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,480
But in order for you to get
better, and it wasn't about who

737
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,960
you are, you got to be
coachable.

738
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,640
You got to be coachable.
Yeah, you can't take it

739
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,000
personal.
Because they don't know

740
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,400
everything about you personally.
They know what they they think

741
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,120
your potential is.
And I think a lot of people,

742
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,600
even I've had people say things
to me personally that could be

743
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,960
easy for me to get angry and
frustrated.

744
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,480
But I will pause, say, OK, what
can I do with this?

745
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Yeah, they delivered it wrong.
Yeah, they said it wrong.

746
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,960
They probably should have never
said it, but it's been said.

747
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680
What do you do now?
And for every leader listening,

748
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,000
it's it's not what people do to
you that I judge you by.

749
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,880
It's how you respond that I
judge.

750
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:11,680
You.
Yes, because you can.

751
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,560
You can control how you respond.
You can definitely control it.

752
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,840
You can, you can, you can slow
down, you can still smile, you

753
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,320
can still be kind.
And I can be really, really

754
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,640
angry, really angry about
something that you did to me.

755
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,440
I'm like, OK, what's the
response that you want on the

756
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,520
screen?
That's easier said than done,

757
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,440
but yeah, it's like it's a must
have for a leader.

758
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,000
A leader that's lacking that.
I just don't think they're going

759
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,600
to have a successful team.
self-control.

760
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,760
It's just, yeah, things are.
Going to self-control because

761
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960
people are going to at some
point push your buttons.

762
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,840
But I've learned that I don't
give them the benefit of the

763
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,280
doubt to have that much control
over me.

764
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:50,800
Wow, I'm OK without it.
You know what?

765
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,640
Where'd you learn that?
Probably the experience of a

766
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:54,800
life.
I mean there are a lot of things

767
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,600
when you you do 2 combat tours
and you serve in the military

768
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,720
and growing up, you know my mom
probably was a a good person to

769
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,800
help build that in.
She said baby, my job is to make

770
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,400
you better and not always happy.
I.

771
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,200
Love that but.
She would give you real

772
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,920
information and say I love you
and the reason I'm telling you I

773
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,840
love you.
And sometimes, you know, it felt

774
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,920
it was a sting initially.
And I can tell you that she was

775
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,040
very helpful in in me growing to
the place where, you know, when

776
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,520
I went in the Army, it wasn't
much that the drill Sergeant say

777
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,400
that will make me angry or make
me mad or get up under my skin.

778
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,960
I'm like, his job is to try to
push my buttons.

779
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,080
His job is to try to see if I'm
where I can break it.

780
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,200
His job is to see how easy and I
am, because in combat you got to

781
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,560
be able to deal with things that
you never thought you could deal

782
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,160
with.
That's a a blessing that you had

783
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
that as a 17 year old.
What are your, I guess, top

784
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080
priorities for community
development in Columbia over the

785
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,600
next couple years or so?
I will say my my top priorities

786
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,640
right now is is is it being
unity throughout the entire

787
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,920
organization.
Our city, Columbia is important.

788
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,720
It's home for us work, live, you
know, pay taxes, go to school.

789
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,160
I would love to see where small
businesses are working Better

790
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Together.
I would love to see we don't get

791
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,360
caught up in zip codes or
fraternities or you on the side

792
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,640
of town and I go to this church.
I would love to see us do a

793
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,160
better job of taking care of the
city by by being more

794
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,120
collaborative.
And I think we're getting there.

795
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,840
The city has great potential.
I think it's going to require

796
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,720
more people like me standing up
front and doing things that I'm

797
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
doing, you know, annually to
say, hey, this is what this is

798
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720
about and I'm not moving away
from it is too important.

799
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,400
I don't know.
We definitely need those

800
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:32,680
initiatives right here.
Yes.

801
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,920
So for the for the next
generation of of leaders that

802
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,080
are spying and make a
difference, what advice would

803
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:38,320
you give them?
We talked a little bit about

804
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,080
this earlier, but like when you
think about your entire career,

805
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,880
like the things that like really
stood out, like this was a must

806
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,520
have to be able to make an
impact, a must have to be able

807
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,000
to give back.
What are those things?

808
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,800
What advice would you give them?
Be coachable.

809
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:50,840
Coachable.
Yeah, yeah.

810
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,880
Be coachable.
I mean, it's it's so important

811
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:55,120
if if you know everything,
you're in trouble.

812
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,840
Yeah, yeah.
So be coachable.

813
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,320
Because you don't.
You're just you're lying to

814
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,800
yourself.
Yeah, I think so.

815
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,200
For me, for every young person
I'm sitting down, I'm saying be

816
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,920
coachable, take risk and never
stop learning.

817
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,159
Don't be afraid of of what you
don't know.

818
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,480
You know, like people are
worried about AI.

819
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,920
It's not going anywhere.
Oh yeah, yeah, it's not going

820
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,679
anywhere.
I work in tech, yes, it's not

821
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,760
going anywhere.
So.

822
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,120
What about the integrity of it?
Figure it out.

823
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,400
Yeah, we're going to figure out
a way to make it honest.

824
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,040
I mean, it is concerned.
The government's like we don't

825
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,960
know how to handle it, but it's
we're going to.

826
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,280
It's not, yeah, it's not going
anywhere.

827
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,920
Yeah, it's not going anywhere.
And I.

828
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,719
See it like kind of like an
iPhone or like the Internet,

829
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,440
like there's going to be a lot
of good, a lot of good came

830
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,120
from.
The Internet, yes.

831
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,400
A lot of bad came from the
Internet.

832
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,280
The AI log is a lot about.
Yeah, you teach values.

833
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,800
I mean, you think about for for
us, you think use the iPhone,

834
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:43,239
you know, the the piece of ice.
I also get the to every young

835
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,239
leader that's listening or any
leader that's listening, you

836
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:51,280
know, iPhone came out in 2007.
Well, we have version 16 now.

837
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,239
Yeah, 1717.
Yeah, just came out.

838
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,760
Yeah, 17 just came out.
So which means that it's been

839
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,360
out 18 years.
IPhone has given a different

840
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,120
version almost every year.
Here's what I ask every leader,

841
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,040
regardless whether you're new or
emerging and you you're a

842
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,880
superstar and you're an
executive unit, made it to the

843
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600
pivotal point of your career.
Look at how long you've been in

844
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,480
your industry and tell me what
version you are.

845
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,240
Because if you're not getting
better every single year, that

846
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,040
means you're falling behind
every single year.

847
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,080
What?
Advice would you give to someone

848
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,080
that wants to switch industries?
Find someone that's doing what

849
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,160
you and let you want to do and
go on and let them mentor you.

850
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,720
Go and support them in the
organization.

851
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:31,520
More people come through Global
Core.

852
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,520
They had a friends of mine that
that helped me do work and

853
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,600
deliver work so they can learn
how to do it and go do it

854
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,360
themselves.
And I I'm not intimidated by

855
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,640
that.
You all have different presences

856
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,280
outside of Columbia, Yes, Where?
Where's your presence?

857
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,280
We cover about 47 states. 47
states size, yeah.

858
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,160
We run an entrepreneurship
program that we run totally

859
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,960
virtual that help, you know,
business owners figure out how

860
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480
to be successful in business.
We cover, you know, my wife and

861
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,200
I started it, but they're about
35 people on payroll.

862
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,360
We cover 47 States and.
That's significant.

863
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,080
It is significant.
And what it has allowed us to

864
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,320
do, it's not about Linda and I
anymore.

865
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,680
This company is much bigger than
us.

866
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,880
I mean, we're watching people
put their kids through college

867
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,560
based on our company.
We're watching people buy houses

868
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,400
based on our company.
We're watching people having a

869
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,280
safe community based on, we're
watching people have weddings

870
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,120
and just things that we get to
see people live through a vision

871
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,000
that we've had.
And we want to one thing we

872
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,000
really wanted to stay humble no
matter what we become.

873
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,840
It's so important to us.
Like I tell people, don't put us

874
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,720
on the pedal stool.
No, we don't.

875
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:34,640
We don't.
We've been to a pivotal point in

876
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,120
our career and this is not about
our name.

877
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,760
It's cool to see how far you
come when you, you talked about

878
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,840
how you're thought about
quitting every day the first

879
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,800
three years, every obstacle came
your way.

880
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,960
And now, like you said, I feel
like having a team around you

881
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,840
where like their livelihood
depends on this is 1 like that's

882
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,240
a little stressful.
So like it's, you have to, it's

883
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
a lot of responsibility, but
two, it's rewarding to see, hey,

884
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,720
this is kind of impact.
Not only am I making in the

885
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,440
community, but with the people
that we're leading, yes, very

886
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,520
admirable.
Yeah.

887
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,440
And I had those conversations
with people on our team.

888
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,320
I say, hey guys, here's where we
are and what I need from you.

889
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,360
And my team knows that, hey, we
need to build more business

890
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,680
opportunities.
I need you to share this and

891
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,960
share that because I want to
keep you guys on board.

892
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,600
But you guys are also everybody
in our organization is also a

893
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,400
business developer.
So people introduce this to

894
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:18,880
people.
I met you through someone that

895
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,000
does a lot of our marketing, but
they know that hey, if he wins,

896
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,080
we win and and we actually take
care of everybody in our

897
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,720
company.
I say, guys, this is not about

898
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,000
us sitting back like look at
look at our bank account and

899
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,400
what we've done.
Absolutely not nice.

900
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,600
If you go back to your younger
self about to join the military,

901
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:37,200
yes.
What advice would you give him?

902
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,400
Oh my goodness, what were?
Your goals too, back in that

903
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,680
age.
My goal back in the age was just

904
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,680
to get a college education.
That was, that was, that was, it

905
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,040
was, you know, in my community
where I grew up, college wasn't,

906
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,560
you know, I didn't grow up in a
college town.

907
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,560
It wasn't spoken up highly.
You know, my, my mother had

908
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,800
eight boys.
I'm the only one out of eight

909
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400
boys with a college education.
So it wasn't something that I

910
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,280
seen every day.
It was talked about every day

911
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,800
long as I went to school and
didn't skip class and and didn't

912
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,000
get in trouble.
It was considered OK, you're

913
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,400
good thumbs up.
But that was the measure.

914
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,040
And it was a low bar.
Yeah.

915
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,400
But there was no incentive to to
do more than just be OK and not

916
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,960
be in trouble.
That was that was that was a

917
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,240
pretty low bar.
But now if I go back and look at

918
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,920
it, I will probably tell my
younger self to go seek answers

919
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,640
and don't settle for the low
bar.

920
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,800
Because I feel like as a young
kid, I mean, you are just so

921
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,520
like formative at that age and
you don't know what's out there

922
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,000
and it's so easy.
This is what I got to do.

923
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,680
This is the bar.
And you don't really know what

924
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,160
else you can.
Absolutely.

925
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,360
So that like unfortunately just
hinders people, for better or

926
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,640
for worse.
It minimizes you.

927
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,560
I think the one savior I had is
I had a sister that really took

928
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,600
me under her wing and she's
about about five years

929
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,120
difference in age, you know, for
me.

930
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,720
And she really said, hey,
you're, you're gonna go to

931
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,800
school, you're going to get good
grades.

932
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,880
And, and she did something to
help me out a lot.

933
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,040
You know, when I finally got my
driver's license, she was, she

934
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,760
was in college and she would let
me drive her too.

935
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,520
And she said, hey, by the way,
you're driving me to school

936
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:04,920
today.
And it was in, it was at night

937
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,920
like.
Yeah, helping.

938
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,680
I was happy I was a teenage boy.
So I get to go hang out on

939
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,760
campus with college girls as a
9th grader.

940
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:14,000
So I get exposed to like, this
is what college is.

941
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,120
I got to get it.
Yeah, I want.

942
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,880
But it kept me out of the
streets.

943
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,160
It kept me from getting in
trouble.

944
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,880
And I was excited to be driving
because the rest of my friends

945
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,600
weren't driving.
So those little things mattered.

946
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,800
And she knew it.
And it was so insignificant to

947
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,200
her to to just let me drive her
car and sit in the back of the

948
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,040
classroom.
Yeah.

949
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,880
So those things like what?
I would expose people to things

950
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,320
that they don't see in their
community.

951
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,720
Oh, thanks, that's a good point.
Yeah, helping people see what

952
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:39,160
else is out.
There.

953
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:40,440
What else is out there?
Yeah.

954
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,120
And that's what we kind of do
now in our business that we do

955
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,520
in our community.
You know, how do we help people

956
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,200
get exposed?
Our time is coming to an end

957
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,480
shortly, yes, but when your time
with GCS is done, what is your

958
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,720
legacy that you hope to leave
behind, both with your community

959
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,000
and with your team that you've
been leading?

960
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Yeah, really for us, it's really
simple is if someone had to do a

961
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,280
eulogy for for us today that we
add a value, made a difference.

962
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,200
That's that's really what we
live by.

963
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,200
We make a difference.
Well, Ron, thank you so much for

964
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,440
joining me today.
I really appreciate it.

965
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,760
Appreciate it.
Thank you.